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Up coming Races and Training Plan
Training Plan (after this weekends race)
Base for 2 x months
Hills for 1 x month
Intervals for 8 wks
Hold racing form for 1.5 - 2 months
Racing Plan
6th May - Half marathon Falls in Base
11th June - 18.5km Falls in Base
1st July - either half or full marathon?? Falls in Base - Next week is start of Hills
15th July - 21k or 10k? Falls in Hills
22nd July - king of mountain (about 25min) Falls in Hills
29th july - 5,10 or 21k Start of Intervals / La+ workouts
5th Aug - 15km Falls in Intervals
19th Aug - 3km Falls in Intervals
26th Aug - 5km Falls in Intervals
2nd Sept - 5km Falls in intervals
14th Oct - 10km Peak racing form
1st Nov - 5km Peak racing form
3-11th Nov Pan Pacific Masters Peak racing form
I need more races during Sept/Oct - Hopefully will get some 800m and 1500m races, but there are none planned this far out except for Pan Pacific
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Hi Bold,
I am very much looking forward to hearing how your first race goes. Keep us posted!
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Thanks T-slow.
To explain what the race is - Triathlon, It's a 1.5km Swim, 40km Ride, 10km run.
Conditions were very Calm, zero breeze and started cool at 7;30am but 99% humidity, and by 10am it was 28deg C and still around 80% humidity - so like summer (it's nearly winter here....)
As a team, we have three guys, each doing One Leg each (i did the run)
With 600 people competing, and nearly 100 teams, They had to start the event in Wave type starts.
Elite men start, then elite women, then Age group Individuals in various wave starts.
By the time Out team Swimmer had started, The elite individual men already were on their bike, around 35-40min before us.
Out swimmer swam great, he was 60sec behind the winner, in a pack of about 4 fighting for 2-5th.
On change over, you have to swap over a Timing chip, which our cyclist lost about 30sec doing...
At the end of the cycle race, we had moved into a solid 2nd and still 60sec behind - and past a lot of individual guys in the process.
During the run, i was keeping Pace with the 1km markers perfectly for a 35min run - this lasted 3km and i didnt see any more 1km markers till 1km to go!!
Constantly passing guys due to starting so far behind, eg, perhaps passing one person on average every 50m (it makes you feel like you're going faster than you really are)
I felt like the pace was consistent till around 4km - then the Heat started to really effect me - started to make the Heart rate go higher and the pace go slower. (Normally the only thing to make the Heart rate go higher is a Faster Pace - otherwise it just sits there if pace is the same)
Eventually, i got sight of the Leader runner and caught him by around 800m to go - Where i sat till we got to the Finishing park (around 300m to go) After which, i passed him and just sprinted away and put around 100m on him. (seems the spring wasnt really needed, but i was in pain and just kept running)
Wasnt too happy with my time - I lost way too much speed between 3km and 9km - during the km splits i could see, i was running for 35min pace, when i didnt see them, it slowed way down to 4min per km avg. So overall time was just under 38. It was hot as all buggery, but even in that heat, wasnt a very fast time. Oh well. Heart rate graph didnt really show a very high Heart rate, it was up, but nothing specially high. Considering it was hurting a lot - i thought the HR would have been somewhat higher (Heat Stress??)
I was that Hot, that later when i went to bed, even when it cooled off, i couldnt sleep under sheets - i felt burning.
So - have to release my calfs (a bit sore) and get ready for a 2 month big base (more km and more hrs, with hopefully faster base km pace)
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Mon - 5.6km recovery run. Lower legs sore, not so much the calfs, but underneath them, the tibilas Posterior was shattered
Tue - 7.1km of running circuits in 50min
Wed - 8.5km of running - felt pretty good
Ordered a new Gell Mattress today with 7 different spring zones, with pocket springs. The goal being a better mattress gives a better sleep, and lets the muscles recover quicker and better. It arrives in around 1week.
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A win is always nice, well done.
How do you correspond
I felt like the pace was consistent till around 4km - then the Heat started to really effect me - started to make the Heart rate go higher and the pace go slower. (Normally the only thing to make the Heart rate go higher is a Faster Pace - otherwise it just sits there if pace is the same)
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Heart rate graph didnt really show a very high Heart rate, it was up, but nothing specially high. Considering it was hurting a lot - i thought the HR would have been somewhat higher (Heat Stress??)
was the first one how you felt or were you looking at HR while racing?
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Hey John
cheers
The pace was pretty consistent in the 1st 4km going by 1km splits. The HR was up about where i was expecting for a 10km run. Typically what would happen, at this stage, is for the pace to maintain, the heart rate would go up, but, im talking like 2-4 beats over the rest of the race, and another 4-5 beats for the last 1km or half a km due to kicking it home. But - That didn't happen. The HR stayed at the same level as at the end of 4km till the last few hundred mtrs. At which point, it went up 5 beats only.
What's happening here - 6 months of base work with very minimium La+ training. The heart is now a lot Bigger than before, and without the Strength in the walls for fast beating. So it's just Thumps the blood around. The strength hasnt been built up yet to get it really going fast RPM.
The other thing - Cardic Drift - this occurs duing Hotter weather and when Carb intake is low. Talking to my Cyclist, Who is also a Naturapath, my internal body thermostat could be wrong (as each yr im hating and hating summer more and more) this Can be caused due to Thyriod issue and should get some blood tests to check it out - I might need some special Iodine to help it out? As per the low carbs - normally during base training i keep my carbs around 30% or so of daily intake. But during racing, your body isnt really using much Fats (unlike base) and uses Carbs like a furnace. Was i carbed up? Gees no - I had forgotten all about it, in fact, my carb use the 24hrs before the race was possibly down to around 20%. So what happens with cardic drift is as you dehydrate, and burn away your carbs, the blood plasma volume can decrease significantly due to sweat loss, and this reduced volume is still expected to kept at a constant pressure when pumped to the rest of the body. Therefore the pump has to work harder.
A higher carb intake, actually stores More water.
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Heart rate seems to be recovered as of yesterday, Wednesday.
A new way of gauging if the heart rate is recovered is as follows,
Using a Heart rate monitor.
During Aerobic work, the heart rate has a fairly Linear relationship between blood pumped and distance covered.
This means, during Aerobic work, it will take an athlete a certain number of beats to cover a specific distance.
For instance, if one can cover 10km in 35min at an average HR of 155, the Maths = (35 x 155) = 5425 beats per 10,000m, or (10000/5425) = 1.84 meters per beat.
This same athlete could expect to cover 10,000m at 40min and 45min with the same ratio... so at slower speeds the average heart rate will drop to maintain the ratio.
So therefore, if we know it takes 5425 beats to cover 10,000m of a know course, we can more or less predict what he should average for different aerobic times over the same course
If he takes 40min, the the 5425 beats will give an average HR of just over 135, and at 45min, it will drop to 120 average.
The exact ratio will vary according to bio-mechanics and can improve over time with better aerobic development and leg strength. So it's good for Short term training blocks. (then re-test)
This sort of record keeping will determine when it's safe to resume Hard training again. Systemic acidosis will elevate resting HR, and glycogen depletion with muscular tiredness will lower stride distance
The athlete simply has to go for a very easy morning run over a known course and determine the ratio. If it is back to normal, he is running eficiently again, if not, he should look at easier recovery until ready.
The set course should remain largely unchanged (ie road) and doesnt have to be accurately measured. So long as the same set course is used for such tests, the ratio over that course is all that matters
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So, End of Last week
3hrs 50min
47.3km
2 days off, Fri n Sat
All aerobic work - just keeping it easy and recovering from race
This week
Mon - Well, i was all dressed and ready to run at 5:30pm, when it hit me. Toilet.... then again.... It reminded me of the previous Thurs - where i ran and about 1/3rd the way through, only about 2km, i was out looking for the toilet, badly....
What i put it down to - Peanut butter sandwich i had for lunch both them days. Don't normally eat that - and it certainly done a number on me.
So Monday, just rode for 5min warm up, then did 30min of foamrolling.
Tue - 40min of running circuits 5.8km
Wed - 45min of running circuits 8km - avg Hr was pretty good today for this session, recovery has happened. I also ate more Carbs during the day than normal, actually a lot more.
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Thurs - Off
Fri - 8.7km of running circuits - 50min
Avg HR of 140
Went well - felt good. I think the extra Carbs are doing their job nicely.
Sadly, it was raining on us - will this rain ever end for awhile.....
Was supposed to race a Half Marathon this weekend - but was broke due to easter (still recovering financially)
So, maybe i'll plot out a course and run my own?
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Saturday - Spent 6hrs pulling down an old Cubby house, falling 3 Palm trees and 1 big busy tree.
Not a day to go off and rip out a harder workout - so,
6km in 32min 20sec
Avg HR - 120 - this gives me a RATIO of 1.54 Meters per Beat
Sunday - Spent 5hrs chopping up, and sorting through the rubble left behind from Saturday....
Even had a 1hr nap afterwards
So, another Recovery session - this time with my group that i train on the weekends (so includes some exercises)
2.3km warm up
5km Circuit - 39min
Avg HR 115 (after every 10min had a 3min stand around and stretch)
Avg HR during the circuits was still only 120
Monday - 10yrs sleep (unheard of for the last 10yrs - kids....)
Ended up having the day off - pretty relaxing day
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